Billy Corgan from the Chicago Sports Channel
April 1997
Thanks to BC for the ariticle
CG: guy with cigar who smokes his brains out during the show
GG: guy who played the guitar with billy at the end and who talks with Billy most of the time.. I believe his name is Rick
G1: guy #1
G2: guy #2.
*Show opens to "Tonight, Tonight"
CG: Ladies and gentleman, boys and girls, our show today is going to be even more entertaining. Tonight we have in our midst a youthful legend from Chicago, Billy Corgan.
Billy: Those are some strong words.
CG: He adapted my summertime hairdo, which makes me very proud of Billy Corgan.
Billy: Thanks. (Smiles)
CG: We will talk about the terribly injury to Robin Ventura and because Billy is here we will talk about music in sports, and our all-time favourite subject, Dennis Rodman. So tell us about the NCAA, how terrible it was....
G2: All the players kept making stupid shots...
GG: But would you blame the bad shots on the coach?
Billy: I would. I mean, doesn't it seem like these teams are making really bad shots late in the game and you don't see the coach in any way reacting? I mean you see the players hurling three-pointers early in the game... (he's interrupted)
G2: But North Carolina doesn't play that way, they haven't played this good in a long time, and let's not forget their defense
GG: But kids will always take crazy shots...
CG: But these aren't kids! They're 20 and 21 year olds
Billy: But even in your arguement more kids than ever grow up watching NBA style basketball and at least from good analysts and stuff understand what an offensive philosophy is, and it striked me as odd that a lot of kids aren't playing the game..(he's interrupted again....the majority of the men go on to complain about bad NCAA broadcasting....)
G2: But on the court, Billy was right on it when he said that the players don't know the game.
GG: (To Billy) When you stand up straight, which you seldom do, you're 6"3 and you played basketball....
Billy: 6"4 when i stand up straight, 6"3 when I slouch.
GG: He's 6"3 slocuhed, 6"4 standing up straight.
Billy: I have the guitar hunch (laughs)
GG: You play basketball, you're from the western suburbs, and you say one of the reasons that you got into music... did we even mention the Smashing Pumpkins?
CG: Yes we did!!!
GG: You got into music because the coach didn't like your attitude.
Billy: Well, I didn't make the team, so rock n' roll was the next thing.
GG: When you were playing, were kids trying to imitate Michael Jordan who didn't have the talent to imitate Michael Jordan?
Billy: Well I have a weird thing, I grew up pretty much in the Dr. J generation, and Dr. J was the prototypical, star-busting out, doing different kinds of things. This is pre-Mike.
GG: You're just barely pre-Mike.
Billy: Right. I remember what it was like as the Dr. J phenomenon grew, so I saw all of that, but I guess the point I was trying to make was that when you're a kid on the playground, yes, you want to emulate every crazy shot that've you've ever seen anyone do, but more so now, if you watch TV there's so much more emphasis on the game and how it's played and how they set picks, that's what's surprising to me is that the basic skill level of like, anybody who knows the game knows that you should come down and get a good shot at the end of a big game, and you see these teams down by 6 with 3 minutes to go and the guard dribbles down, he looks around a couple times and he just launches a bad shot..... (he's interrupted)
G1: The players aren't the only ones making mistakes here, it's also the editors. Here is a magazine that covers college basketball, and all the teams on it are 0 for 4, and their surprise pick is Cincinatti, 0 for 5, and he we are criticising the kid for taking a shot?
*Show fades out to "Tonight, Tonight"*
-Commercials-
*Show returns to "Here is No Why"*
CG: We got this shirt from Billy Foley, he sent this to me to give to you (holding up a shirt with bars and pubs on them, gives it to Guy #2)
Billy: Is that a guide?
CG: Just check them off as you go along.
Cigar guy introduces list of people in the audience.....
CG: And um, [the audience] they're all here to see us, not to see Billy. I
want everyone to understand that. If they knew Billy was going to be here
they would have brought more people, they would have had a bus full of
people.
GG: (To Billy) Could I ask you since we always have debates over the new
names of new teams, you know like should they be the Panthers or the Heat or
the Thunder and the Lightning, who thought of Smashing Pumpkins? And is it The
Smashing Pumpkins?
Billy: It's The Smashing Pumpkins. That was my stupid idea.
GG: Did you used to smash pumpkins as a kid?
Billy: (shakes head)
GG: Not even on Halloween?
Billy: No. Believe me, it was one of those kind of fickle choices one makes
in your life,and you have no idea of the effect it's going to make.
G2: Never thought it would last.
GG: Now you're stuck with it!
Billy: No, the name was before there was even a band because I used to tell
people because they would always say, 'Well if you're going to form a band
what's gonna be the name?' so I just made up this kind of fanciful name as a
joke and it stuck.
CG: That's what a genius does. Talks about smashes (Billy laughs)
CG: And we had a terrible smash in Sarasota with the complete player of the
Chicago White Sox, Robin Ventura, one of the most ghastly injuries in sports.
GG: I have to wonder if he'll ever be back. They're gonna have to re-build
his ankle. now Ventura who is coming into his prime...now what do they do?
GG: This is a dislocated ankle and a compound fracture, fibula and tibula....
he'll have to have his ankle fused.....Billy, any thoughts from the music
world on this? I mean we know you're a big sports fan and you don't have
these kinds of injuries in the rock and roll world.
Billy: No, usually it's us causing injuries to ourselves.
GG: Well, continuing on, you happened to lose your drummer, or excuse me,
your visiting keyboard player...
Billy: Right.
GG: ...Jonathan Melvoin, of a heroin overdose, right?
Billy: Right.
GG: And in the wake of that you tossed out your long-time drummer Jimmy
Chamberlain because he had been involved in the drug-taking with him...a lot
of people thought that because it was the start of a big tour that it could
have discombobulated the Smashing Pumpkins.
Billy: Right, well if you wanna make a hook-up on it at the time what seemed
like a terrible thing where everything was going good we've managed to
re-group together and kind of focus in a different way because it didn't seem
so easy.
G1: Well compare the drummer, Jimmy Chamberlain, who was our of the band
after I think his third drug incident, to Steve Howe, stayed in baseball
after 7 drug incidents. So I guess you could say in sports we have a higher
drug tolerance.
Billy: Well, the philosophical difference there is we were more concerned
about his life than we were about making money, and/or winning games, and I
think between the major sports it's only a recent thing where they've started
taking substance abuse seriously, and putting these peoples' lives above
their franchises.
G1: Well at least you don't have to worry about him going over to play for
some other band.
Billy: (Laughs) That may still happen.
*Show fades out with "Tonight, Tonight"
-Commercials-
*Show returns with "1979"*
(Rick holds up "W" magazine)
CG: Is this a subscription of yours?
G1: It's a great magazine, it serves a good purpose.
Billy: It's for women...I don't...
CG: Gentleman would you shut up for a minute? Rick Telander, our very own
rock immortal, lead guitarist of the world-infamous Del Crustaceans...
GG: Now there's a stretch.
CG: He is going to tell us about our guest from Glen Ellyn, Illinois, lived
up in the Lincoln Park area, Billy Corgan.
GG: It's typical of us to wait this long to introduce the guy officially, but
anyway, Lester gets W magazine, and here's Cal Ripken Jr.
G1: Hey! Cal Ripken is now a model for Versace.
GG: Billy and I have run into each other at sporting events, we first ran
into each other at I think at the Park West, it was the Tyson-Holyfield
fight, and now I see him everywhere and the last Bulls game, who comes out of
nowhere to give him his jersey but Dennis Rodman, so you've got that thing
going, your double album "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" is the
best-selling double-CD of the 90s, you guys won seven MTV awards, all kinds
of honours are coming in...
CG: Give them the spelling of Mellon Collie.
GG: I couldn't.
G2: M-E-L-L-O-N ...
Billy: It's a purposeful pun.
GG: We're sure it is, just like the Smashing Pumpkins, just like what you
came up with.
Billy: Yeah, another one (laughs)
GG: Yeah, you know music is so important in sports now, Billy, and we see the
guys with the headsets on, the music that is played before and during NBA
games, the warm-up music at baseball games, the things that get the crowd
fired up, what is you opinion of the music that is played, and why don't you
just tell us the songs that you like that you hear, the songs that you don't
like, and also if your band would feel honoured to have your music played
during a rally.
Billy: That's a dizzying array of questions.
GG: (Laughs) try it one at a time.
Billy: First, I'll start off by saying that basketball, I don't know why they
play music while they play, I think it's so annoying and I was in the Seattle
arena, the Key arena I think it is, for the playoffs last year with the
Bulls, and they played the most annoying, loud music.
CG: Bully, for Billy.
G2: Annoying to whom, Billy?
Billy: It's the purposeful thing to try and...I think it's trying to rattle
the other team, I don't know, I don't think that any...it's kind of like that
announcer, that public address announcer, in Orlando with the delay, and
anybody who in any way impacts the game, as part of the thing, I don't think
that's right.
G1: But unlike all the other professional sports, the NBA sends out a
playlist and they want these. The commissioner and the array of staff people
dig up old rock and roll music and they want these songs to be played, if you
go from arena to arena it's the same stuff.
Billy: The choices are horrible, also.
CG: We had a wonderful story last week...the Nets confessed that they're
giving us a studio audience, the professional laughers, they have
professional cheerers, to sweeten the sound, and no one can tell me that they
don't do that at Bulls games. They amplify the sound....
GG: (To Billy) I wanna hear what songs you don't like.
Billy: All of them.
GG: You don't like "Start Me Up" by the [Rolling] Stones?
Billy: All of them. Every cliche, especially the Bulls, every cliche, from
that stupid Wang Chung song...
GG: What about the Addams Family? (I find this ironic that he pointed this
out because on my local radio station they refer to Billy as Uncle Fester).
Billy: The stupid Wang Chung song, the "Start Me Up" every time they go to
start the game, the only thing is I'm a little superstitous so I wouldn't
change the opening theme because it's the only thing that has obviously
brought only good things to the team.
G2: Who should make the selections?
Billy: Whoever makes those choices....
G2: If you were making the choices, what would you pick?
Billy: The Hawks games, everything, whoever makes the musical choices is way
off. Obviously they have someone from like Wilmette [a suburb of Chicago for
anyone who doesn't know] whom they give 20 bucks to go to the CD store and
they go pick out some stuff that they think is going to work.
GG: Here's another question. Rock n' roll and sports have this kind of
separate separate union...
Billy: Well it's the MTV-ization of sports and obviously it's worked. If you
want to take it just like a marketing angle, the NBA has used the MTV
generation to blow their sport up where baseball has totally missed the boat.
G1: Well baseballdoesn't have the sound systems and all...
Billy: I think you're missing the point. We're talking about an off the
field, integration of culture where the NBA to a ten year old kid seems very
hip, baseball seems like an archaic game that's very slow-moving.
GG: You know what the problem with baseball is a lot of the players seem like
white country guys who like country music and country music, if you go to
batting practices, you'll hear country...
Billy: No, I've met some...my manager is friends with a lot of the Mets, and
I met a lot of the Mets and a lot of them are big rock fans.
GG: What about rap? What's your thing on rap? Gangsta rap?
Billy: Oh, you wanna go there? You wanna go through all that?
GG: (laughs) You tell me, you take us there.
G1: I haven't heard any rap in any arena I've been too, people stay away from
that, don't they?
G2: Billy, if you were making the selections of music to be played, let's say
at the Bulls games, whatwould be some of your selections?
Billy: What I would like to see is someone who watches a lot of the games,
someone who goes to a lot of games, is a more interesting selection that's
varied. When you go to a Bulls game, you know exactly what you're going to
hear, you sit in exactly the same place, and the cliche becomes redundant and
it makes the atmosphere seem to me very stale.
G1: They also do it with the time-outs and the circus acts.
GG: (To Billy) Would you like to hear "Tonight, Tonight", your biggest hit,
well one of your biggest hits, being played at an NBA game?
Billy: Yeah, it's very flattering, I have heard some of my songs played and
it's very flattering. I'm not saying that it's about me or anything else, but
I don't think..the choices made are poor, from a someone who's a professional
music person the chioces are poor.
*"1979"*
-Commercials-
*'Tonight, Tonight"
G1: We're going to talk about whether the Bulls are good fro the NBA. There's
a great picture of Dennis Rodma going horizontal into the lap of Gene Siskel.
(shows picture)
Billy: Those seats are more than $400.
G1: Billy would know. I was looking for Billy in the picture.
GG: I know where Billy sits (Billy laughs)
G1: The issue is that they introduced the Bulls and the biggest welcome was
for Michael Jordan. Butwhat happens when MIchael doesn't play anywhere at
all, Scottie moves on, Dennis leaves, Phil Jackson retires...
G2: And they anointed Shaq, this horrible player, to take over the NBA..
G1: And how well did that go over?
Billy: And Grant Hill, who's supposedly now playing better than MIke, was
embarrassed the other night by our Bulls.
GG: Is anyone bothered by the triple-double?
G2: Furthermore, the triple-double means that you play on a team without any
talent along with you.
GG: Here's a picture of a guy who looks like Dennis Rodman (holds up picture
of Mike Ness from Social Distortion)
Billy: Is he on the Bulls? (laughs)
GG: Well this guy might as well be, this is Mike Ness from Social Distortion.
Just to show you that the way Dennis Rodman looks is nothing in the rock n'
roll world. Are you tattooed?
Billy: No.
GG: The Bulls are the most beloved team, they have the highest winning
percentage of games in two years in NBA history.
Billy: I think a lot of credit has to absolutely go to Phil Jackson for
maintaining such a high standard of playing. I mean obviously he has the most
talented player they've ever had, but if you look at the way the reserves
play, it's amazing, the consistency of output that they get out of the
reserves every night, and I had the chance to talk to Jud Bueschler (Bulls
player) the other night and he said, he's been on two or three NBA teams, he
said it's the only team he's ever been on where it really is a team. 100%
percent a team.
G2: Do you think that this is due to the fact that Jackson has some bright
guys on that team, maybe more bright guys than you'd find on other NBA teams.
GG: I don't want to get into the IQ thing, what he has are people, the bench
is happy to be doing what they're doing. Role players.
Billy: If [Phil Jackson] could look at this team as a work in progress, which
in some way they are, it started when the Bulls defeated those two or three
years by Detroit, those pain losses where Jordan and Pippen and all of them
started lifting weights and bulking up and they took it to another level, and
that level of committment from that team and everyone who's come in since has
been imposed upon that if you're gonna be a Bull, you're gonna play this
way...it's the way they play offense, it's the way they play defense.
CG: Billy, you were talking about Detroit, wich is the ultimate test of where
the Bulls are now. The Pistons were getting old as the Bulls were maturing.
And what he was talking about, if all these guys leave, it will be Detroit
that will be dominant. You have to remember what Michael and Scottie said,
the league is not as good as it was when they broke in.
Billy: There's no team in the NBA right now as a team that is even close.
Whether the Bulls are beatable in the end.... definitely Dennis being out
because of the suspension, the injury to Luc Longley has definitely taken its
toll and you definitely saw the Bulls kind of lag off there in the last road
trip.
GG: And you (To Billy) were talking to Rodman and you told him that he needs
his head to be adjusted, and he agrees with that.
Billy: That was just a joke.
*"Tonight, Tonight"*
-Commercials-
*"Here is No why"*
CG: In addition to being the lead rhythm guitarist for the Del Crustaceans,
Rick telander is also our Dennis Rodman historian. They're friends, they're
very close people.
GG: Well that wrestling thing with Dennis in South Carolina, that is to
sport, I suppose, we are the fashion, What are you doing here? I thought to
myself.... at any rate, I'm probably not nearly as wired into Dennis Rodman
as this gentleman next to me, because lo and behold, the other night at the
Bulls game, what happens after the game when, the most anticipated moment of
any Bulls game, Dennis Rodman gives out his sweaty, disgusting nauseating
jersey...
(Billy holds up the jersey)
Billy: It still smells... but it was a belated birthday present, yeah, well
that's the way I see it because he said Happy Birthday.
GG: First of all, what are you going to do with it, and second of all give us
your review of his movie with Jean Claude Van Damme.
Billy: Well, I was every honoured that he gave me his jersey.
CG: How did he get it to you?
Billy: Actually, it..this is very Dennis- like, um, it was a Seattle game, it
was a close game, and they came back and won, and I was watching Dennis as he
left the court, he was all the way on the far side of the court to see who he
was going to give his jersey to, and he turned all the way around and I saw
him catch my eye from all the way across the place, and he just gave me that
look, and I knew that and I knew that he was coming back.
GG: Didn't you want to give it to some little kid? Didn't you feel bad about
taking it?
Billy: No.
G1: What birthday was it Billy?
Billy: I just had my birthday March 17.
G1: What number birthday?
Billy: (puts his hand over his mouth) 30.
CG: St. Patrick's Day!
Billy: I'm Irish and born on St. Patrick's day. I'm lucky sevens.
G1: Dennis seemed to know your birthday. Were you at his famous birthday
party? I know John Popper and Eddie Vedder was there...
Billy: No, I was out of town for that party, but he had been at my birthday
party.
GG: I went to Dennis' party and I'm still recovering. You saw the movie, this
movie, you've already seen it, what's the name of it?
Billy: Double Team. Van Damme, Rodman...
GG: You've already said that this is 1997's best movie of the year, right?
Billy: No, but believe it or not Dennis is very good in the movie. Listen,
you can say what you want about Dennis, he is a charismatic character, he
walks into a room and people are just drawn to him. He has that charisma, he
has to use...to paraphrase, he has a rock star kind of charisma, he does
attract a certain amount of attention. It's an internal thing, I know it's
easy to look at his tattoos and the way he acts and dresses, but knowing many
people like I do who are successful people, it is an internal thing, and
whatever it is draws people to him like a moth.
G2: Does he feed on that?
Billy: You know, when I first met Dennis I definitely came in with certain
assumptions probably many assumptions that you would have about how Dennis
is. What Dennis is is a free spirit. And he's a free spirit in a domain that
is not used to true free spirits. We think of someone like Charles Barkely as
a free spirit. Dennis is a true free spirit who cannot be contained by
boundaries and the only way I've ever understood it, for what I think...why'd
he kick that guy? It's the same thing like when I've been on stage and when
i've whipped my guitar off and thrown it fifty feet. When you play with an
intensity and you play from your heart, things just come out. They're not
always correct, and what I understand him to be is that he plays so on the
edge and so to his utmost that things come out and they're not neccesarily
appropriate, emotions come out, behaviours come out, as calculating as many
people think Dennis is, I don't think he's calculating at all. The only thing
he's calculating about is getting under people's skin, and that's part of his
game.
G2: When you do something like that, how do you feel afterwards?
Billy: I look back on many things I've done like that and I think it's the
stupidest thing I've ever done.
GG: I want to get into the throwing of the guitar. A long established rock
tradition, Pete Townshend and the Who destroyed all their equipment.
Billy: I'm talking about spontaneous acts of stupidity or spontinaeity where
you just go berserk, I've destroyed entire stacks of...I've destroyed 20,000
dollars of equipment in a single...
GG: From what? Anger?
Billy: It's not about that. When something comes out of you that's not
nessecarily always appropriate, but in order to play with such intensity you
take the chance that inappropriate thngs will come out, and that's what I see
in Dennis. He plays on the edge, he's always said that, he plays on the edge
and sometimes what comes out isn't appropriate, he's not really thinking
about rules when he's playing.
GG: Just like you're not thinking about rules.
Billy: Right, it's a Zen kind of freak out.
G1: What about what he did to Grant Hill the other night? He completely
embarasses Grant HIll and pushed him from the back, it was a joke.
Billy: Well I was sitting five feet away, and Dennis really didn't do
anything wrong. And then Grant Hill has to get him, and they gave Dennis a
techincal...
G1: Well that's gonna happen.
Billy: Of course it's gonna happen, but listen, it's easy to get caught up in
the politics of what Dennis means, but at the end of the day, it's fun. It's
all about fun. He's not trying to hurt anybody. Dennis ain't failing any drug
tests, he plays harder or as hard as anybody.
GG: Explain to us again what he does in the movie.
Billy: He's the kind of funny side kick. He gets the one liners. At the end
of the movie, when everything blows up, he gets the last line in the movie,
which is "They'll probably blame this on me too."
GG: What about this kind of rebel for hire thing, I think that's what bothers
us the most about him, he's used his psychic pain to make him into the
sympathetic character who is misunderstood.
Billy: I'll give you the inside, kind of entertainment point of view. You're
Dennis Rodman. You get 18 plus rebounds a night, and you score four points.
You get... you don't get much respect, so for whatever reason he starts
acting out, he gets attention, momentum, maybe gets even a few endorsements,
the personality and Dennis has coincided. It's not like Dennis is out there
and says I'm going to act really crazy so therefore I'm going to become
distinct.
GG: But you know that a lot of his antics come during nights where he only
gets four rebounds, and there's a neccesity to draw attention to himself.
*"Here is no Why"*
-Commercials-
*"Muzzle"*
G1: We have a sudden glut of young people on the horizon. We have Tiger
Woods, 21, king of all he surveys on the golf course, we had Oksana Baiul who
at age 15 ruling the world of figure skating, we have Martina Hingus, a 16
year old who will I think in a few days will be ranked unumber one in women's
tennis, and then we have this 14 year old, she's 4"8, weighs 75 pounds
without her skates on and she is now the world champion of figure skating.
And when you look at the instant fame, all of the money that comes along,
we're going to look at the downsides.
CG: And the skater's name is...
G1: Carol Lipinski is her name.
GG: And she's this week's world champion. Seems like there's one every week.
G1: She's from Texas and now she lives in Detroit, with her mother, because
that's where she trains.
G1: What's the danger here? We have this young woman here who is now a global
celebrity. Now we have all sen this can be a great thing, also this can be a
disastrous hting. Jennifer Capriati, a story that I spent some time working
on, has been through rehab now three times, she continues to struggle with
her game even though she was a phenomenon at the same age as Carol.
CG: After she was beaten by Martina Hingus, Jennifer got off a great line,
she said "it was the phenom versus the former phenom". That's very
appropriate.
G2: Billy, you see parallels in music, don't you, to this?
Billy: Yeah, absolutely. Sucess takes faith, and I think what happens is
these young people are sold faith at an age where it's easier for them to
stomach. When you're 15 years old and you have amazing, God-given talent, and
suddenly you get all this attention, it's easiter to be sold the faith of
sucess, 'Work hard, You're gonna be sucessful', and what happens is these
people wake up one day and realise maybe it's not what they really want to
do. It's an all-consuming thing. You miss out on a lot of things. I mean, I'm
certainly not a phenom, but I've spent the last ten years absorbed in my
work, and I'm waking up at 30 going, do I really wanna be working this hard,
this way? And believe me, you're easliy surrounded by fans who pat you on the
back and say, Keep making money.
GG: Just let me give you an idea here, I went to see Billy just the other
night, stopped by the studio, it was after midnight I think, and it's Friday
night, after midnight....first of all, when you make music nowadays, he had
72 tracks on that thing, you're doing the Batman soundtrack
Billy: Yeah.
GG: And he's playing the computer, looking at the screen, and you told me
you've been working on that one thing with the 72 tracks for ten days. (Billy
nods) And you were playing a couple little violin things. And it's
mind-boggling to be that focused on something that long that you are
obviously missing life going on around you.
Billy: Yeah of course, insetad of being a rock star our at a party on Friday
night, I was working, and that's fine by me...
CG: Let us remind the audeince that the man sitting here who has even less
hair than Joust and Telander is Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins.
Billy: I didn't quite get the hook up on those two things.
GG: You were supposed to have your hair down to your shoulders.
Billy: Oh, I get it
G2: We live in an age where young people at an increasingly younger age are
getting hooked by older people into devoting all of their energy into this
one activity be it a sport....
GG: What is happening in the world of these motions where you spin and..say
gymnastics, that these tiny, pre-pubescent kids can spin three times, have no
hips, no waist, no nothing, and Michelle Kwan who recently wentthrough
puberty who was two years ago, was very narrow then.
G1: Lipinski is in a big hurry because puberty is around the corner, she
wants to do a quadruple before her body starts to change before she becomes a
has-been at age 16.
Billy: And ask yourself where that culture that they're in, whatever skating
culture, is going to lead them at 18 or 19, if they don't go on to be a TV
commentator.
GG: Then let's ask that question, should you not try to be that successful
when you are the best in the world? What about Macauly Culkin?
G1: It depends sometimes on the parents too. CG: Tiger Woods hurt himself with that recent magazine article, he's riding
around with this interviewer and he's using off-color language, and it all
gets into the piece, and then...
Billy: He's gonna learn.
GG: Have you been burned?
Billy: Oh, hundreds of times.
CG: How could anyone not like you?
Billy: It's not about that. It's about...
GG: Let me read how USA Today describes him: mercurial, controlling, cocky,
and dangerously candid.
Billy: That would be me. (smiles)
G2: You shold be proud of that.
Billy: Listen, at the center of these things is the purity, OK take Tiger
woods, there's a purity of this young man's talent. And everything around it,
is subliferous, it's garbage in the end. And having been in the middle, it's
like, we'd all have to exist, people are interested, so we use the media, the
media uses the talent and the talent uses the media and everybody uses
everybody, but at the center is the beautiful thing of talent. As long as you
can stay with the beauty of that, then these people are fine. It's the
deviation off the beauty of that that's gonna cause them problems.
*"Muzzle"*
-Commercials-
*"Tonight, Tonight"*
G2: Now Billy and Rick are going to throw those guitars into the audience
(Billy and Rick have their guitars with them)
Billy: Spontaneous act of love.
CG: I'm requesting a song.
GG: Well you know we were talking about baseball, and it's almost opening
day, even though it's like the dead of winter here which is typical, I've
never been as cold as I have on ipening day, so we were just going to get
people into the Harry Caray spirit. But I think we'll do that as a fade-out.
CG: Well we're fading fast.
CG: We wanna thank Billy Corgan for being here because we've always wanted to
have a real guitarist on the show.
GG: OK, what do you think Bill? Billy? Are we ready? It's hard to call a
bald-headed man Billy.
CG: Billy, you've found your future. You can be the Wrigley Field...
Billy: I thought you were going to invite me back to be a regular on the
show. I'm actually kind of insulted, but thank you.
CG: Let's have a hand for Billy Corgan
GG: Now if you were going to do Take me Out To the Ball Game, would you layer
that with 50, 60 tracks?
Billy: Oh, no. Listen, Batman alone is